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	<description>critical observations by Ian MacDougall and Brian Umana</description>
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		<title>Comment on Sex, money, and art in A MIDSUMMER NIGHT&#8217;S DREAM by Eye Floaters</title>
		<link>http://grumpyyoungmen.net/2011/09/18/sex-money-and-art-in-a-midsummer-nights-dream/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Eye Floaters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Greek Gods probably are better defined that the Gods of today.  When you really think about it, it just seems more believable.  You have a God that controls each part of the earth compared to just one that rules them all.  What&#039;s really funny is every thousand years or so they come up with another religion.    Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Greek Gods probably are better defined that the Gods of today.  When you really think about it, it just seems more believable.  You have a God that controls each part of the earth compared to just one that rules them all.  What&#8217;s really funny is every thousand years or so they come up with another religion.    Go figure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A shame that Ellroy won&#8217;t tip his hat to a good shamus by Julie Brown</title>
		<link>http://grumpyyoungmen.net/2011/08/28/a-shame-that-ellroy-wont-tip-his-hat-to-a-good-shamus/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 23:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read only one book by Ellroy, and loved it.  It was the story of his mother&#039;s murder.  Didn&#039;t know of this controversy.  I&#039;m really commenting to tell you I just received your email from July about linking to your blog on my blog.  I will do so now!  Ta!

Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read only one book by Ellroy, and loved it.  It was the story of his mother&#8217;s murder.  Didn&#8217;t know of this controversy.  I&#8217;m really commenting to tell you I just received your email from July about linking to your blog on my blog.  I will do so now!  Ta!</p>
<p>Julie</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Jonathan Franzen&#8217;s FREEDOM by Linnea</title>
		<link>http://grumpyyoungmen.net/2011/06/01/on-jonathan-franzens-freedom/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Linnea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful blog post, I absolutely wait for updates of your stuff.</description>
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		<title>Comment on UPDATED: Revolting, and quite good by Brian</title>
		<link>http://grumpyyoungmen.net/2011/06/20/revolting-and-quite-good/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yours is a good argument.  I think that we are mostly in agreement.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Aragorn does Eliot by Ian</title>
		<link>http://grumpyyoungmen.net/2011/06/12/aragorn-does-eliot/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I second your admiration for Viggo Mortensen, to which I would add that he&#039;s part Danish, a fact worthy of being admired in my book. Part of what makes him an unfortunate, if obvious, choice is that he seems like the kind of actor who would put the &quot;drama&quot; in dramatic reading. And &quot;The Waste Land,&quot; I feel, is a poem that ought to be read without any sense of drama. It&#039;s too easy to make the thing seem graver and darker than it deserves to be or should be. I&#039;d like to hear somebody plainspoken--say, John Ashbery--read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I second your admiration for Viggo Mortensen, to which I would add that he&#8217;s part Danish, a fact worthy of being admired in my book. Part of what makes him an unfortunate, if obvious, choice is that he seems like the kind of actor who would put the &#8220;drama&#8221; in dramatic reading. And &#8220;The Waste Land,&#8221; I feel, is a poem that ought to be read without any sense of drama. It&#8217;s too easy to make the thing seem graver and darker than it deserves to be or should be. I&#8217;d like to hear somebody plainspoken&#8211;say, John Ashbery&#8211;read it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on UPDATED: Revolting, and quite good by Ignatius Babalouie</title>
		<link>http://grumpyyoungmen.net/2011/06/20/revolting-and-quite-good/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Ignatius Babalouie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our dispute may simply turn on differences in our views of what it means for a film to “morally implicate” the audience. To me, moral implication in this context has three elements. The film needs to portray some sort of reprehensible conduct; and it must engage the audience by encouraging the viewer to struggle with questions about his or her own life.  But the third element is that there needs to be some link between the conduct portrayed on the screen and the questions that are being asked of the audience. 

One example of this type of moral implication is SWEPT AWAY, another controversial Italian masterpiece -- and a film that my wife reminded me about yesterday. (Both SWEPT AWAY and SALO were released in the mid 1970s.) In SWEPT AWAY, a rough working-class Sicilian deckhand clashes with a bourgeois Milanese family on a yacht in the Mediterranean.  One woman in the family is particularly condescending to the Sicilian and the audience hates her. After the Sicilian and the woman find themselves stranded on a deserted island, the man starts to get back at Milanese by taking advantage of the fact that he is physically stronger than her and more capable of  surviving in the wild. But things get out of control, and his behavior quickly turns cruel and repulsive.  He starts abusing her and many critics have described the film as a great work of misogynism. In that film, the audience is morally implicated because the connection between the reprehensible conduct on the part of the Sicilian and the questions being asked of the audience (e.g., why, at first, were we enjoying the man using his physical power to control the woman?) is direct and tight. The audience is implicated because we feel complicit. 

I agree that Pasolini is trying to engage the audience -- both by suggesting something awful about human nature and by asking the viewers questions.  And undoubtedly there’s reprehensible conduct being portrayed on the screen. But I think his attempt at “moral implication” -- if this was indeed an aim of his -- fails because the reprehensible conduct is too extreme, too far afield.  The more extreme the reprehensible conduct portrayed in the film, the harder it is to draw a straight line between the audience and the characters. 

When I watch SALO, I have two primary reactions. The first is that the film is disgusting. The second is that it’s a great work of art. But the actions carried out on the screen are so disgusting that I don’t get the feeling of complicity that I think is necessary for moral implication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our dispute may simply turn on differences in our views of what it means for a film to “morally implicate” the audience. To me, moral implication in this context has three elements. The film needs to portray some sort of reprehensible conduct; and it must engage the audience by encouraging the viewer to struggle with questions about his or her own life.  But the third element is that there needs to be some link between the conduct portrayed on the screen and the questions that are being asked of the audience. </p>
<p>One example of this type of moral implication is SWEPT AWAY, another controversial Italian masterpiece &#8212; and a film that my wife reminded me about yesterday. (Both SWEPT AWAY and SALO were released in the mid 1970s.) In SWEPT AWAY, a rough working-class Sicilian deckhand clashes with a bourgeois Milanese family on a yacht in the Mediterranean.  One woman in the family is particularly condescending to the Sicilian and the audience hates her. After the Sicilian and the woman find themselves stranded on a deserted island, the man starts to get back at Milanese by taking advantage of the fact that he is physically stronger than her and more capable of  surviving in the wild. But things get out of control, and his behavior quickly turns cruel and repulsive.  He starts abusing her and many critics have described the film as a great work of misogynism. In that film, the audience is morally implicated because the connection between the reprehensible conduct on the part of the Sicilian and the questions being asked of the audience (e.g., why, at first, were we enjoying the man using his physical power to control the woman?) is direct and tight. The audience is implicated because we feel complicit. </p>
<p>I agree that Pasolini is trying to engage the audience &#8212; both by suggesting something awful about human nature and by asking the viewers questions.  And undoubtedly there’s reprehensible conduct being portrayed on the screen. But I think his attempt at “moral implication” &#8212; if this was indeed an aim of his &#8212; fails because the reprehensible conduct is too extreme, too far afield.  The more extreme the reprehensible conduct portrayed in the film, the harder it is to draw a straight line between the audience and the characters. </p>
<p>When I watch SALO, I have two primary reactions. The first is that the film is disgusting. The second is that it’s a great work of art. But the actions carried out on the screen are so disgusting that I don’t get the feeling of complicity that I think is necessary for moral implication.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aragorn does Eliot by Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I would buy the app -- I think my life needs fewer apps, not more -- but I can say that I think Viggo is a hero of an artist.  This for his acting in Appaloosa or Eastern Promises or you-name-it, of course, but also because he is a guy who seems so genuinely sensitive, verbally adept (across many languages), and intellectually curious.  He apparently is keen on poetry and has published a couple books of poems -- I can&#039;t say I&#039;ve read them -- and you&#039;ve gotta admire the guy for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I would buy the app &#8212; I think my life needs fewer apps, not more &#8212; but I can say that I think Viggo is a hero of an artist.  This for his acting in Appaloosa or Eastern Promises or you-name-it, of course, but also because he is a guy who seems so genuinely sensitive, verbally adept (across many languages), and intellectually curious.  He apparently is keen on poetry and has published a couple books of poems &#8212; I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ve read them &#8212; and you&#8217;ve gotta admire the guy for that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Updated: Helen Vendler &amp; Wallace Stevens by Article Marketing Robot</title>
		<link>http://grumpyyoungmen.net/2011/05/30/helen-vendler-wallace-stevens/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Article Marketing Robot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 22:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading your blog post I browsed your website a bit and noticed you aren’t ranking nearly as well in Google as you could be. I think you should take a look here: http://articlemarketingrobots.org/ You’ll find it’s a very nice tool that can bring you a lot more visitors. Keep up the quality posts</description>
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		<title>Comment on Reaction to Selznick&#8217;s Gone With the Wind by Brian</title>
		<link>http://grumpyyoungmen.net/2011/05/27/reaction-to-selznicks-gone-with-the-wind/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 02:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Hattie McDaniel is really something in this movie, an incredibly consistent and strong actress.  McDaniel seems to be able to play her character as &quot;tough and annoyed&quot; in about two hundred separate emotional registers. Mamie is always loyal and strong, but her mood and reaction varies a great deal, and the way McDaniel represents this is stunning.  The movie has so many scenes that are dense with complex emotions, and I spent a fair amount of time imagining the actors having to do those scenes over and over through a variety of takes.  

Two subjects I didn&#039;t touch are: the arc of McDaniel&#039;s career; and, separately, the political implications of the Mamie character in GWTW.  In terms of McDaniel&#039;s career, you have to think she would have been an amazing leading lady if there had been parts written for her (and, more to the point, movies greenlit with parts written for her) that went beyond servant characters.  In terms of the character in GWTW, I think Mamie is a fascinating and interesting character who is portrayed more fully and honestly than one might have expected in the 1930s.  On the other hand, thinking about the black characters in the movie should raise some dicey issues, and it&#039;s certainly the case that the movie shows us a great many black characters without showing ANY that do not remain Southern loyalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Hattie McDaniel is really something in this movie, an incredibly consistent and strong actress.  McDaniel seems to be able to play her character as &#8220;tough and annoyed&#8221; in about two hundred separate emotional registers. Mamie is always loyal and strong, but her mood and reaction varies a great deal, and the way McDaniel represents this is stunning.  The movie has so many scenes that are dense with complex emotions, and I spent a fair amount of time imagining the actors having to do those scenes over and over through a variety of takes.  </p>
<p>Two subjects I didn&#8217;t touch are: the arc of McDaniel&#8217;s career; and, separately, the political implications of the Mamie character in GWTW.  In terms of McDaniel&#8217;s career, you have to think she would have been an amazing leading lady if there had been parts written for her (and, more to the point, movies greenlit with parts written for her) that went beyond servant characters.  In terms of the character in GWTW, I think Mamie is a fascinating and interesting character who is portrayed more fully and honestly than one might have expected in the 1930s.  On the other hand, thinking about the black characters in the movie should raise some dicey issues, and it&#8217;s certainly the case that the movie shows us a great many black characters without showing ANY that do not remain Southern loyalists.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reaction to Selznick&#8217;s Gone With the Wind by Julie</title>
		<link>http://grumpyyoungmen.net/2011/05/27/reaction-to-selznicks-gone-with-the-wind/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 01:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You probably know this, but I wanted to mention Hattie McDaniel was the first African American actress to receive an Academy Award, and it was for her performance in this film.

Recently read Didion&#039;s &#039;Year of Magical Thinking&#039;, which was excellent.  I hadn&#039;t read her in awhile and I find her writing so fresh, even with very heavy subject matter.

I am now reading &#039;Black Sun: The Brief Transit and Violent Eclipse of Harry Crosby&#039; by Geoffrey Wolff (brother of Tobias Wolff).  I think you&#039;d like it if you haven&#039;t read it yet.  I also started Stein&#039;s &#039;Autobiography of Alice Toklas&#039;, but haven&#039;t read far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably know this, but I wanted to mention Hattie McDaniel was the first African American actress to receive an Academy Award, and it was for her performance in this film.</p>
<p>Recently read Didion&#8217;s &#8216;Year of Magical Thinking&#8217;, which was excellent.  I hadn&#8217;t read her in awhile and I find her writing so fresh, even with very heavy subject matter.</p>
<p>I am now reading &#8216;Black Sun: The Brief Transit and Violent Eclipse of Harry Crosby&#8217; by Geoffrey Wolff (brother of Tobias Wolff).  I think you&#8217;d like it if you haven&#8217;t read it yet.  I also started Stein&#8217;s &#8216;Autobiography of Alice Toklas&#8217;, but haven&#8217;t read far.</p>
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